MADPRIEST’S THOUGHT FOR THE DAY

It is not appropriate for a Christian to celebrate revenge,
but it is appropriate for a Christian to celebrate relief.

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MADPRIEST’S THOUGHT FOR THE DAY — 21 Comments

  1. Agreed!

    There’s also a practical aspect to this. Europeans have learned that terrorism isn’t defeated by spectacular acts and subsequent celebrations. That’s the oxygen that feeds it. Far from showing the terrorists of the world not to mess with the USA, what is happening in America at the moment is counter productive.

  2. what is happening in America at the moment is counter productive.

    In the short term most likely yes. But, if the confidence the death of Bib Laden engenders in the American public results in moves towards reconciliation then it could be redeemed. I am not particularly hopeful that this will happen, but it is a possibility, and one that Americans of good faith could help to engineer. To do this they would need to stop condemning those who are celebrating and isolate and celebrate the productive elements of the public reaction.

  3. The American public isn’t looking like a group of people searching reconciliation. There’s too much optimistic “we socked them one” swagger, too much triumphalism.
    I think there is a genuine lack of understanding of how terrorism operates, not surprisingly, seeing they haven’t been subjected to it for that long yet.

    Giving Bin Laden a Muslim sea burrial following Muslim rights was a stroke of political genius. It’s that kind of thing we need more of.

  4. I think Erika is understanding us better than you are right now, Jonathan.

    This isn’t going to make things better. It’s a false inflation of ego.

  5. Ah, you are reading between my lines, Mark. The above is a stand alone statement. It does not attempt to understand what is in the hearts of individuals. It is an instruction rather than a comment on what has been.

  6. The triumphalism one sees on the TV is a definite minority. And it is causing some interesting introspection among thoughtful folks. My daughter-in-law said it well observing that she was rather “ambivalent but definitely not triumphant.”

    Something that may lead to some growth and reconciliation — the almost immediate positive comments from two national Islamic organizations. If some of our more reasonable folk notice that and what Mr. Obama said in his remarks about Islam, there is at least potential for some improvement on that front. We will still have our Terry Jones fools hating all Moslems but if we can move the rest of the people an inch or two towards sanity it will be a good result.

    FWIW
    jimB

  7. There’s too much optimistic “we socked them one” swagger, too much triumphalism.

    Oh gee, it’s a horrible thing to achieve success and be happy about it.

    I wonder – is there a difference between this and the SAS vs the IRA…?? Let’s not get too sanctimonious about this, shall we?

    I think there is a genuine lack of understanding of how terrorism operates, not surprisingly, seeing they haven’t been subjected to it for that long yet.

    Depends on how you define “terrorist.” How about the SLA and Patty Hearst…how about Weather Underground…how about the Black Panthers…the KKK…fundamentalist Christians assassinating abortion doctors…

    No, we haven’t had a problem with INTERNATIONAL terrorism, but we’ve had DOMESTIC terrorism for a very long time indeed.

    Some of it has been political in origin, and some of it has been criminal in origin – but has there ever been any equivalent to Al Capone or John Gotti, etc, in Europe and the UK? OK maybe the Russian mafia in Europe, but how about the UK? Any mob bosses there? I’ve never heard of any. I guess the worst they’d do is illegally smuggle oregano and garlic to poor defenseless British housewives. LOL!

    Naturally, because it’s coming from an American, I’m sure people will utterly blow this off as “just semantics.” But it makes a huge difference.

    Giving Bin Laden a Muslim sea burial following Muslim rites was a stroke of political genius. It’s that kind of thing we need more of.

    That’s one of the very things that has raised a lot of suspicion that any of this is real at all. Some people are calling serious BS here.

    Let us not also forget that if you go back far enough (and not even all that far – just the 1940s), ALL OF THIS can be laid at the feet of Great Britain, who chose to pull out of the Middle East in the late 1940s-early 1950s and dumped this bag of snakes into the laps of the rest of the world to clean up. Lord Kitchener? Sir Mark Sykes, anyone? T.E. Lawrence, anyone? Come on, now. Those are the roots of the tree that bore the fruit that was Osama Bin Laden, al-Quaeda, Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, etc.

    The borders of these countries were formed by British politicians to ensure continued instability in the Middle East – and it worked. Quite well. We’re still seeing the results of that today.

    Today, we Americans are just cleaning up the mess left behind. So yeah, I’d say some “swagger” and “triumphalism” was more than in order here.

  8. “So yeah, I’d say some “swagger” and “triumphalism” was more than in order here.”

    Well, let’s hope and pray that you’re right and that it isn’t sowing the seeds for more terrorism directed against you.

    Because even if it’s understandable, it would still be awful if it was counterproductive.

  9. Ya know…let’s say Osama is really dead and the Navy SEALS offed him.

    OK so we’re talking about a guy that most of the free world has been living in utter terror of since about the Bill Clinton years. People have long regarded bin Laden as a very dangerous man. Now we’ve supposedly offed him, and this is the thanks we get? Criticism for being happy about it?

    Gee. Makes it not seem worth the effort. Yet people in other nations are constantly begging for either our money in aid or military assistance.

    Yet they can’t allow us Americans to be happy when we accomplish a goal.

    You don’t negotiate with terrorists. You just don’t. You stomp ’em. Remember: once you pay the Dane-geld, you never get rid of the Dane.

    Instead, you send a message to rest of the world of “this is how we’ll stomp you if you try this with us.”

    Hail the Navy SEALs!

  10. Bin Laden was buried at sea so that a shrine could not be built around his grave. The US government, in a rare moment of diplomatic aplomb, realise that they can’t tell this to anybody as it would piss off even more Muslims than those pissed off by Bin Laden’s execution.

    There is no conspiracy other than one of acceptable diplomatic proportion. Bin Laden was killed in the way that has been reported.

  11. Well, you’re not stupid people, despite what is often said.
    And no-one minds you being “happy”. But there’s a difference between being relieved and expressing that joy in a way that can rebound on you.

    Of course, you can then send the troops in again, but it would be much better if you weren’t attacked again in the first place.

    I believe that if Americans genuinely understood the risk of creating the terrorism they’re trying to stamp out, they would naturally act to minimise the risk.

  12. As I said yesterday on somebody else’s blog, the really sad thing is that the street celebrations in the States bore a remarkable similarity to the Islamic flag burning street celebrations and the like that most of us regard as crass and juvenile.

  13. I’m afraid that it’s the dreadful media that has made it seem as if there have been jubilant celebrations in every berg in America. Such reporting has been rather skewed (Though relief, and wondering what is next, are rampant.)/

  14. You don’t negotiate with terrorists. You just don’t.

    Christians don’t reduce the Imago Dei, ANY of them, to ONLY a negative noun. We just don’t.

  15. I think the British experience shows that negotiating with terrorists can be very much in the national interest. It is knowing the correct time to do it that is difficult bit.

    But Bin Laden was something different from a run of the mill terrorist. Much as any sane person would condemn the tactics of the IRA, any sane person would also have to admit that they had one major and valid grievance. Bin Laden had no valid grievance. He was just an incredibly evil man with an Allah complex. You could not have negotiated with him because he actually didn’t want anything. He just liked the killing.

  16. The American people! The American people! We are a populous and diverse country, and we are surely not of one mind, nor do we walk in lockstep in our responses to the death of Obama. Enough of the broad characterizations!

  17. We are a populous and diverse country, and we are surely not of one mind, nor do we walk in lockstep in our responses to the death of Obama. Enough of the broad characterizations!

    Typical American response.

  18. Then, fine, we’re crass and juvenile.

    You say that like it’s a “bad thing.”

    At least we know how to have some fun. We’re not a bunch of stuffed shirts drinking our tea with our pinkies in the air, being sanctimonious snots. “Oh, look at those barbaric Americans, up to their usual crass and juvenile behavior.”

    Yeah, crass and juvenile enough to send in the SEALs and get the damn job DONE, which is more than what Britain or Europe can say.

    So if crass and juvenile takes out a terrorist, HUZZAH!

  19. Hard to tell sometimes on a computer.

    Although let the record show that Joe is evil enough to have wrapped Osama’s body in bacon before chucking it overboard, had he been fortunate enough to be in on the disposal of the remains.

    “No virgins in Paradise for YOU, buddy! You’re gonna BURN!”

  20. Joe is evil enough to have wrapped Osama’s body in bacon

    Hey! Don’t go projecting your red-headed, pagan blood lust on that sweet, inoffensive partner of yours.