SAYS IT ALL HEADLINE OF THE DAY

Fox News, Opus Dei and the nation state run by a former Hitler Youth member? It sounds like a polygamous marriage made in whatever hell Rupert Murdoch crawled out of if you ask me.

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SAYS IT ALL HEADLINE OF THE DAY — 18 Comments

  1. This is one of your little jokes, isn’t it? Please say it is.
    Ro Ford
    (Boo Cat)

  2. Good Lord deliver us! Could Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich be far behind?

  3. It gets worse and worse! MAYBE The GOP bought the Vatican?
    Thinking back to some of the good people in the church that I worked with I wonder if they r still hanging in there and if so, how they stand it?

    I never wonder why the hierarchy kept shuffling the pedophile priests around because I knew that they were already hurting for priests to cover the masses and services that they had provided when they had a comfortable number of priests. they were already having to allow parish staff bodies such as myself. Once I had 200kids to be confirmed and no priest to attend the rehearsal.. the kids were hyped up, to say the least, and wanted to know “how does it feel?”, so we wnt through the whole thing-processing in to the correct seats, coming up carrying their slip of paper with the confirmation name, handing it to me as they would to the bishop or his aide, name read aloud, and I traced a cross on each forehead and then the child returned to the (proper) seat. It took a long time, but finally they were all done and calmrd down, reassured as to what would happen.

    then, of course, the priest who was supposed to be there in the beginning showed up! the kids started to tell him about the rehearsal and told him they knew how it would feel to have the cross on the forehead, he was furious!!
    Turning to me he said “You are a woman, you can ‘t make a cross on someone ‘s forehead!”. so I said something about making a cross on the forehead is a time tested Sacramental and we were done and out of there. Nowadays I wonder who does all of those things……..no wonder Benny wants a SMALLER, purer church. Big is a lot of work:)
    Nij

  4. It gets worse and worse! MAYBE The GOP bought the Vatican?
    Thinking back to some of the good people in the church that I worked with I wonder if they r still hanging in there and if so, how they stand it?

    I never wonder why the hierarchy kept shuffling the pedophile priests around because I knew that they were already hurting for priests to cover the masses and services that they had provided when they had a comfortable number of priests. they were already having to allow parish staff bodies such as myself. Once I had 200kids to be confirmed and no priest to attend the rehearsal.. the kids were hyped up, to say the least, and wanted to know “how does it feel?”, so we wnt through the whole thing-processing in to the correct seats, coming up carrying their slip of paper with the confirmation name, handing it to me as they would to the bishop or his aide, name read aloud, and I traced a cross on each forehead and then the child returned to the (proper) seat. It took a long time, but finally they were all done and calmrd down, reassured as to what would happen.

    then, of course, the priest who was supposed to be there in the beginning showed up! the kids started to tell him about the rehearsal and told him they knew how it would feel to have the cross on the forehead, he was furious!!
    Turning to me he said “You are a woman, you can ‘t make a cross on someone ‘s forehead!”. so I said something about making a cross on the forehead is a time tested Sacramental and we were done and out of there. Nowadays I wonder who does all of those things……..no wonder Benny wants a SMALLER, purer church. Big is a lot of work:)
    Nij

  5. It gets worse and worse! MAYBE The GOP bought the Vatican?
    Thinking back to some of the good people in the church that I worked with I wonder if they r still hanging in there and if so, how they stand it?

    I never wonder why the hierarchy kept shuffling the pedophile priests around because I knew that they were already hurting for priests to cover the masses and services that they had provided when they had a comfortable number of priests. they were already having to allow parish staff bodies such as myself. Once I had 200kids to be confirmed and no priest to attend the rehearsal.. the kids were hyped up, to say the least, and wanted to know “how does it feel?”, so we wnt through the whole thing-processing in to the correct seats, coming up carrying their slip of paper with the confirmation name, handing it to me as they would to the bishop or his aide, name read aloud, and I traced a cross on each forehead and then the child returned to the (proper) seat. It took a long time, but finally they were all done and calmrd down, reassured as to what would happen.

    then, of course, the priest who was supposed to be there in the beginning showed up! the kids started to tell him about the rehearsal and told him they knew how it would feel to have the cross on the forehead, he was furious!!
    Turning to me he said “You are a woman, you can ‘t make a cross on someone ‘s forehead!”. so I said something about making a cross on the forehead is a time tested Sacramental and we were done and out of there. Nowadays I wonder who does all of those things……..no wonder Benny wants a SMALLER, purer church. Big is a lot of work:)
    Nij

  6. Nij, all those unruly ethnics and working class types must be a big change from the Episcopalians, too, eh>

  7. Sorry about the double posts, MP, please delete 1, I would but don’t know how. Also I should correct the numbers. There were about 200 kids to be confirmed every year there, but they were rehearsed in separate groups, roughly 100 at a time. There were 2 Conf. ceremonies, one in the am and one group after lunch. There were over 1000 kids in my part of the program(gr. 1-8). The church building was small, the town having grown furiously fast, there were 7 masses each weekend. My program ran classes 2 sessions on Sunday (gr. 1-7)2 sessions on Monday, and 1 session on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Additionally, each grade had a special event per year which involved as many kids in it as possible. It was a wonderful program! Parents, in middle to low upper class jobs,,,technologies, nurses, teachers, doctors, lawyers etc.
    I think that the Episcopal parishes don’t do a whole lot for the kids. When I returned to the Epis. church I got on a committee that was trying to improve Rel. ed. I was assigned 10 parishes to call. Some of them didn’t know who the contact person for their program was. One parish secretary told me she didn’t know if they even had a Sunday school! When I finished those calls, I sat with tears for quite a while…..no wonder the Epis. church is dwindling, one wife of an Epis. priest told me that it was like pulling teeth to get the fiance group to spend money on Rel. ed!
    Sorry for the rant, but how can people be so uncaring for the present and the future of their church?
    nij

    • They may figure that there’ll always be ex-Catholics and ex-Fundiegelicals who want to be either openly gay or divorce or believe that the Earth wasn’t made in a week.
      Something like the teeth of a shark; there are always more coming in to replace at least some of those that get dull or fall away.

    • Nij, I have to agree with you on the Epis. front…I am also trying to build up a Sunday School program at my church -we have over 500 families attending and my 3-5 grade class has 6 regular attendees…2 of them are my kid and the religious Ed director’s and 1 doesn’t even attend our church, just comes for Sunday School and choir. That leaves 3 kids whose parents are choosing to have their kids attend -500 families…3 kids aged 9-11…astounding. The bishops and priests always say they care, but there is definitely something wrong here.

  8. Dear LA,
    I think the problem comes from diverse causes. To name a few: there is so much diverse belief among Episcopalians, many of whom come from diverse churches (or none at all) that it is easier to not teach anything or very bland stuff than to agree on a curriculum. Then there is the overblown notion of freedom from almost any restraint, or even from history, (the “they can’t tell us what to believe and history isn’t
    important to us people) And of course there are the financial folks who find freedom from spending- those are the ‘just teach ’em the Lord’s Prayer and the 10 commandments people’. And then there are the power broker Holy Spirit people, ‘Just pray to the Holy Spirit, who will take care of everything.’ And then there are some clergy who feel obliged to do everything themselves and don’t have time to do Rel. Ed. Sadly, I could go on some more, but it all adds up to young people whose faith identity rests mostly on “Are we ‘Hi Church or Low Church’ and being altar servers who know not much about what or why they are doing but they are proud to be doing it. They know they are Episcopalians but have no idea why, other than family tradition, perhaps and liking a bit of ceremonial.

    If u r serious about getting a program started, you should have a talk with your Rector because if he/she is not interested, then it probably won’t happen. You should get some reading for yourself on the basics and history of the church, so you are not totally pushing for something you know very little about. Then think about how to approach people in the parent group in a very gentle and non-threatening way. In one parish (Epis.)we, new Vicar and I, distributed a carefully worded questionnaire. Some questions were: What do u as a parent desire for your child/children from this parish?
    Of the following subjects, what is important for your children to know? Would you or someone in your family volunteer to teach a class or sub?
    Would you be able to attend regular or occasional meetings for teachers? Would you be willing to talk with (Vicar or me) about any learning or other problems that will affect your child in class? etc. The questions should reflect concern for the child and the family, not too detailed not hard at all. Check this out with your clergy person before giving it out as they know the Vestry and probably don’t want more fights than already exist.
    Become familiar some sample texts, do not be authoritarian. When you have done prep work, and with your clergy person’s ok, you can form a small group of helpers and become a committee.
    Religious Education should enrich the life of the child, the family and the whole parish, but it has to have cooperation from the family. If your family is ‘spooked’ or feels threatened, they’re OUT, and so is your mission. This is especially true in a church that has many diverse backgrounds as does TEC.

    I hope this helps you, God speed!
    nij

  9. PS to LA,
    Do not be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Use a broad based curriculum and stick with it. Do not use your position to teach a narrow message that is a theology that u have embraced. Do not try to evangelize, argue or preach! Try to stick with the basics. Offer your kids the faith of the Church, not the personal stuff or the personal beliefs of Aunt Tillie (may she rest in peace)nij

  10. PS to LA,
    Do not be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Use a broad based curriculum and stick with it. Do not use your position to teach a narrow message that is a theology that u have embraced. Do not try to evangelize, argue or preach! Try to stick with the basics. Offer your kids the faith of the Church, not the personal stuff or the personal beliefs of Aunt Tillie (may she rest in peace)nij

  11. Nij, thanks for your comments, we are actually much farther down the road than that. We did the survey, have the vestry and clergy on board, have a very nice non-dogmatic curriculum, (Seasons of the Spirit ecumenical based on the RCL) and I am well-versed in Episcopal theology. I never offer any personal beliefs, the curriculum is very basic, age-relevant and interesting, varied and well-thought out and cohesive with the liturgy. The issue seems to be two-fold. A) time, and B) apathy. Of those two apathy gets me…people *say* they want a program, want the opportunity, but then just don’t ever get the kids to church. And it’s not like they’re coming to church and skipping Sunday school…the families just don’t come, period. We’re getting so old as a denomination overall, it’s hard to keep going when you know few benefit. I have to keep saying “quality not quantity” -it’s just hard.

  12. I should correctly say “the families with elementary – high school aged kids” don’t seem to come.