CELIBATE FORMER FASCIST SPEAKS OUT OF ARSE

What I want to know is why a gay couple can trigger Armageddon but not a celibate priest. I mean, surely the issue (or rather the lack of issue) is exactly the same.

From REUTERS:

Pope Benedict said Monday that gay marriage was one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined "the future of humanity itself." He made some of his strongest comments against gay marriage in a new year address to the diplomatic corps accredited to the Vatican in which he touched on some economic and social issues facing the world today. He told diplomats from nearly 180 countries that the education of children needed proper "settings" and that "pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman."

"This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself," he said.

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CELIBATE FORMER FASCIST SPEAKS OUT OF ARSE — 21 Comments

  1. “This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself,” he said.

    Well, by all means then, this dignity should be exclusive!

  2. And why is it that every time I read of a horrendous child abuse case it is always a heterosexual couple who is involved? I guess that is a “proper setting.”

  3. Ignoring that “Traditional family” as per scripture and tradition throughout most of history is polygamous, not monogomous, His Holiness’ “Traditional family” comes from a nostalgic ideal that is centered in an agricultural, rural lifestyle where the wife stays home and raises a phalanx of children with the help of a cluster of relatives.

    Those things don’t work in a 21st century, urban world where both partners have to work to make ends meet, can’t afford more than one child and most folks live more than 50 miles from any relative.

    Would it be nice to have that lifestyle be viable in the here and now? I suppose. It’d be nice for everyone to have a stipend of 500 quid a week and a lemonade tap in their kitchen, too, but I’m not seeing that happen either.

    The “future of humanity itself” is threatened far more from greed, intolerance and fear than two guys wanting to ‘make it official’.

    It’s rather sad, actually. Kind of like seeing your gran who fondly remembers the 1930’s when people starved and hanging ‘uppity negros’ was ok.

    Too bad he’s the primate of the Roman Church and not my gran.

  4. Pope Benedict said Monday that gay marriage was one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined “the future of humanity itself.”

    Even I think that’s more than a little over the top! Has the Pope checked out climate change, environmental disaster, nuclear war, tribal conflicts around the world and so on? He seems to lack a sense of proportion.

  5. I was at a dinner party recently with a gay couple who had had a civil partnership. I can’t say it has affected my humanity in any way. On the other hand, the injustices of child abuse…that must have affected the humanity of many people.

  6. I think Tim you have made the essential points here.
    Just warming to your theme. Why doesn’t the Pope criticise the lowering of import tariffs that has wrecked our manufacturing industries in the face of Chinese imports and put many working people out of jobs. ..blah blah blah

    The point is, depending on your hobby horse and your constituency you can blame anything (or you can try to) for anything you don’t like about the way the world is these days. Except for certain pockets, the world is a hell of a better place than the one the Pope wants to take us back to.

  7. The traditional family unit has been under sustained attack from heterosexual promiscuity since Thatcher and Reagan persuaded everybody that it was everyone for themselves. Gay people getting married may just reverse this trend and might even persuade more heterosexual couples to take commitment more seriously. So, the Church should encourage gay marriage. Gay couples are the best hope it has for moral renewal at this time.

  8. Love the cartoon.

    The Hitler Youth (at, um, bottom) should look out for a fly-by reach-around! :-X

  9. You are right MP. I have said the very same thing before (although I don’t think I mentioned Thatcher or Reagan). Gay marriage is the hope for marriage in general. And its not for the first time. For example, I’m sure it was the gays who rescued interior design from the doldrums.

    WV “expell”

    Which reminds me, what has our mate Pell been up to lately?

  10. Oh sorry. Silly me. Did I forget the obvious?

    Projection.

    Projection is where you deal with your deep inner anxieties by denying them outright and yet, in a not so subtle way of acknowledging them, you engage in the (sometimes nasty) process of projecting them onto someone else.

    So the Pope, in dealing with the fact that he, personally, is an absolute failure when it comes to marriage and someone who has not helped the cause one iota, wants to blame somebody else for his sense of failure.

    I say “sense of failure” because in reality its no failure not to be married. It’s no one’s bloody business if you’re married or not but deep down clearly the Pope feels bad about not being a contributor to the marriage numbers. He needs to get over it . Accept himself. If necessary get some counselling. Its never too late.

  11. It’s a double whammy for the pope, Boaz. Not only is he letting down the Roman Catholic Church by not procreating but he has also failed the Third Reich by not contributing to the perpetuation of the Aryan race. So much guilt must be very painful to live with.

  12. Plus he’s waited a long time to get the keys to the top room so he’s probably a bit angry about that.

    But notice he wants to pontificate about the “future of humanity itself”. Which is a very important topic. What an important man.

    But as the other Tim points out, if it’s the future of mankind he wants to talk about then why is he not talking about what we are doing to the planet?

    Why? Simple. Because he doesn’t see that as a moral issue. (Blank cheque there for the polluters). If he doesn’t see it as a moral issue and the best he can think of as a moral issue for the future of humanity is homosexuality then what kind of moral guide is he?

  13. “why is he not talking about what we are doing to the planet?”

    I assume from this discussion that no one has bothered to read past a headline.

    From the address:

    “Finally I would stress that education, correctly understood, cannot fail to foster respect for creation. We cannot disregard the grave natural calamities which in 2011 affected various regions of South-East Asia, or ecological disasters like that of the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan. Environmental protection and the connection between fighting poverty and fighting climate change are important areas for the promotion of integral human development. For this reason, I hope that, pursuant to the XVII session of the Conference of States Parties to the UN Convention on Climate Change recently concluded in Durban, the international community will prepare for the UN Conference on Sustainable Development (“Rio + 20”) as an authentic “family of nations” and thus with a great sense of solidarity and responsibility towards present and future generations.”

    And, no, there’s no mention of homosexuality or gay marriage anywhere in the address.

  14. And, no, there’s no mention of homosexuality or gay marriage anywhere in the address.

    Yeah, in the same way that if someone said only white people should be allowed to vote, they wouldn’t be mentioning black people.

  15. Well, he seems to care about the environment, even if he flat lies about the family. “Monogamy” was initially defined as, “poverty.” The simple fact is it is not the “traditional family.”

    FWIW
    jimB

  16. I don’t think the above comment is at all in the spirit of Christian charity and should surely be retracted by the commenter.

  17. Don’t be stupid all your life, JD.

    Jesus wasn’t nice, and Paul, the great Christian idol, was even less so. Go worship cucumber sandwiches, if you want.