So please read every word of the posts. I would guess that the word "many" in the first sentence of my post was not picked up by the following correspondent.



  1. Your comment raises the wider question of whether individual autonomy can exist within a large organisation. I don’t think regular churchgoers question the aims of the church when they give to the coffers but perhaps we all should. In all reality can this make a difference?

  2. I don’t think regular churchgoers question the aims of the church when they give to the coffers but perhaps we all should.

    I don’t think there’s any “perhaps” about it.

    You can’t be neutral on a moving train (I’m forgetting at the moment, who said this. Stringfellow?)

    Now, then there’s the question of taxes. In many (all?) of our countries, our taxes do worse things than our churches do…but there are CONSEQUENCES to not paying them, far beyond what not putting money in the collection plate does.

    In this issue, I’m more like a liberal Roman Catholilc: knowing the right thing to do (resist/don’t fund), but not doing it. [But I do fight back via my poverty, Oy Vey…]

  3. Hi JCF, opt in opt out membership will not always work for everyone because people want to be participatory in an organisation without supporting all the aims. I don’t want to stop going to church nor do I want to stop my giving. One can still participate and protest at the same time. Some may call this sitting on the fence. I think sitting on the fence consists of joining an organisation and being ambivalent about the things one is against.

  4. I’m sorry but I think we are making excuses for ourselves. If we belonged to a chess club and discovered that it was racist we wouldn’t make the same excuses. But, even if you are right, Chelliah, I honestly do not think that the members of the Church of England (especially the parish clergy) are protesting enough.

    Please note that my comments regarding offerings applies only to the Roman Catholic Church for the reasons I state.

  5. I’ve been talking to people in their 20’s who don’t vote. Do you know why? Because to vote would make them complicit in the policies of government of which policies they do not want to a part.

  6. It’s the same here, Lois. But we are lucky to have lots of parties to vote for that don’t stand any chance of ever forming the government, from sensible parties like the Greens and the socialist parties to the Raving Monster Loony Party. So we can be good citizens and vote whilst also making sure we are never complicit in the evil governments do.

  7. The difficulty an author encounters, almost inevitably I fear, is that even though we write in precise terms, we have readers who refuse to read in precise terms. This correspondence and the recent flap over Islam here are a couple ugly cases.

    Over on my little read blog, I recently had some comments over my own sexuality. Even though I think any close reading of my essays would make it clear that I am not gay, my anonymous correspondent asked because I write in favor of marriage equity. ;;sigh;;

    People do not listen, won’t read and then lament misunderstanding. I am considering a hermitage.


  8. @Lois For a long time I would scoff at countries that would bother to hold elections with only one name on the ballot…wondering why they even bother. Sadly I have come to see that our alleged free society with free elections has much more in common with these one candidate “elections.” We really have a false choice when both major parties are beholden to the corporations. I can see choosing not to participate as an option. Maybe when voter turnout drops to 20% they will no longer be able to claim credibility.

  9. Yes but you didn’t say “many Roman Catholics are bigots.” You said ALL Roman Catholics are bigots.

    You said that ALL members of the C of E are too.

    You said all members of – pay attention here – many other denominations.

    You didn’t say “many PEOPLE.”

    You said ALL of them.

    I’m taking a screen cap too to prove it.

    I’m very much a literalist.

    This makes no sense to me at all.


  10. Watch it, MadPriest. Tracie’s got that screenshot. Personally, I wouldn’t mess with Tracie and her screenshots.

    Not all Roman Catholics are bigots, nor are all Church of Englanders bigots. Admit your words are a rhetorical device to grab attention, and we’ll all feel better. 🙂

    And now I won’t get my pirate. 🙁

  11. Well, whatever.

    Can’t waste a lot of time on this anyway. Right now I’m more worried about Gus-Gus and the bit of wool he swallowed last week. He’s acting perfectly normal, mostly. 🙁


  12. It was a small bit off the end of my roving. He did not eat half a sweater as some cats apparently are prone to do.

    Backstory: it was just a case of I set my roving on the table, turned my back for 2 minutes to fix myself some breakfast, and then I hear a noise. I turn around and he’s up on the table with the end of the roving in his mouth and backing up from it. Of course I exclaimed “GUSTAV!” which made him jump, and he still had a wee hunk in his mouth. I tried to catch him to take it away but he ran like hell, hid behind the couch and by the time I could get to him he’d swallowed it.

    I’ve since kept my roving far away from him. He has never eaten my yarn, so I did not think he’d be interested in roving/unspun wool.

    At 3 years old he’s barely out of kittenhood, it seems.


  13. Mark is right. Laxatone is good for dogs and cats that need to move something on through the pipes.

    Also, see if you can get a tablespoon of canned pumpkin (not sweet or pie filling, just plain old canned pumpkin) down their throat. It helps with GI stuff in animals, too.

  14. Hey, thanks guys. I got him some Petromalt and it seems to be working like a charm. His (ahem) nether parts seem to be functioning quite normally.

    And I have him on hairball control food too. That may help.

    I think he’s fine. He’s showing absolutely no signs of distress at all; he’s eating like the little pig he thinks he is and he even caught a lizard out on the porch. Those little buggers are fast, too!


  15. Usually, cats can move all kinds of stuff through their systems – wool should not, for instance, be terribly different from a large hairball. The first Christmas with grown cats, I kept finding the most cheerfully tinsel-laden leavings in the litter box.