MADPRIEST’S THOUGHT FOR THE DAY

The only remotely feasible alternative explanation for our existence other than one involving an intelligent creator god, is that there is an infinite number of universes that have existed for an infinite amount of time. Personally, I think the evidence we have for the existence of God in the historical record, albeit incredibly dodgy, is greater than the evidence we have for an infinite number of universes. However, I am willing to accept that both options are about equal in their believability out of Christian charity for any atheists out there.

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MADPRIEST’S THOUGHT FOR THE DAY — 12 Comments

  1. Oh, do mention the physicalists’ favorite (probability next to nil), that this is the only universe there is and it just happened to be such a nice one (with the gratuitous added comment that whatever universe there were, its inhabitants would find it nice). Would ther were only one atheist and him somewhat less of a lunkhead.

  2. Yes. But you still have the problem of having to explain the origin of this lovely universe and the smart money is now on the debunking of the “out of nothing” scientific explanation.

  3. The multi-verse theory is, at least at the moment, completely unprovable, fact that Brian Greene, the recent author of “The Hidden Reality: Parallel Universes and the Deep Laws of the Cosmos” admits. (Though there is some things about gravity that may give some hints. But nobody seems to have completely figured out gravity in the presently known universe so I wouldn’t be the farm on this quite yet.)

    There are some who seem to think that the multi-verse theory proves there is no God. But I think is just pushes the traditional analysis back another step:

    Where did the earth come from?

    Where did the sun come from?

    Where did the galaxy come from?

    Where did the universe come from?

    Where did the multi-verse come from?

    It’s a matter of degree, not a matter of kind.

  4. I could be persuaded to consider discounting the need for a creator if it was proved that we are in a multi-verse that has existed for an infinite amount of time – that there was never a time when there was no mulit-verse. However, I take your point, Dr. Primrose. If the God we worship is infinite in age then an infinite multiverse could be reasonably expected as part of God’s work. However, why would God create so many useless universes in order to get one just right? Maybe God exists in a useless universe and created the just right universe for creatures that do not share God’s ability to exist in such a hostile environment.

    That last thought is the intellectual property of MadPriest who reserves the right to use it as the basis for a million selling science fiction blockbuster should he ever be arsed to do so.

  5. If the rule for sustainability is that a pack of cards must deal hearts, clubs, spades, diamonds, in numerical order and with jokers at the end, then the sustainable ‘universe’ you find your self in is the one that dealt hearts, clubs, spades, diamonds, in numerical order and with jokers at the end.

    Probability from the other end is always achieved. Lottery numbers: what are the chances of that happening? The same as all the other outcomes. But it did. And if one outcome is needed, then that’s the one you’ll see.

    Mad Priest, you don’t half talk some bollocks.

  6. The problem to be explained is not that we exist. The problem is that matter exists. i.e that anything exists.

    Once you have one tiny atom in the uni/multiverse or even one black hole (capable of producing an atom) which is then capable of exploding into billions of atoms (though I don’t know how that could happen except on some magicians stage) then you need God.

    The atom is no more capable of being explained than God.

    OCICBW…

  7. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. The weak anthropic principle – we observe precisely this universe which seems to be exactly tailored to our needs because no other could have produced us to observe it – doesn’t exclude God.

  8. More scientists with no religious faith than Christians worry about the apparent impossibility of our universe. Hence the invention of string theory.

    In fact, it is possibly only gutless, guilt ridden Christians, whose knee jerk reaction is always to defend antitheists when they attack the faithful, who consider such ridiculous philosophical pissing in the wind, such as the weak anthropic principle, to be believable excuses for the obvious fact that everything we see is impossible without God.

  9. That last thought is the intellectual property of MadPriest who reserves the right to use it as the basis for a million selling science fiction blockbuster should he ever be arsed to do so.

    Nope, sorry, it’s already been done.

    Larry Niven used this very idea in his RingWorld series. AND…hello…Terry Pratchett’s book Strata also dealt with the same topic.

    Try again!