THE CONTINUING TRAVAILSOF AN UNWANTED PRIEST

For some reason I have had absolutely no luck with my applications to Scottish churches. I have come to the conclusion that the image they like to put over internationally bears absolutely no relationship to the reality of their church life at parish level. They are "afeared" and a lot of them are right snobs.

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THE CONTINUING TRAVAILSOF AN UNWANTED PRIEST — 30 Comments

  1. Very sorry to hear about this, Jonathan. They clearly have no idea what a gem you are.

    I’m thinking sapphire. Sapphires are lovely.

    At any rate, might I ask this: I’m trying to figure out what the difference is between Episcopalians and Anglicans. Can someone enlighten me? Is there difference in specific beliefs or something, that I hadn’t noticed?

    Hey – learn somethin’ new every day, right?

    Thanks in advance.

  2. I am sorry to hear this. What are they looking for, Scots applicants? or Oxbridge/ St. Andrews grads? Hmph.

  3. I have been for no end of Scottish jobs. I find that the clergy are as go-ahead and un-snobby as they say they are but I have consistently found that the vestries are very snobby and very arrogant in the way they treat applicants (not telling them haven’t got the job after an interview – that sort of thing). Of course, I haven’t been for a job at Fr. Kenny’s church, which appears to contain relativity down to earth types.

    Of course, I am English and the Scots don’t include us under their race equality legislation.

  4. Yes, “Bum.” Everything about this job said I should have gotten an interview. It must have been something non-work related that turned them off me. The trouble is no one will tell me the truth when I ask why. So, I don’t no if I’m blacklisted because of my blog, being turned down because of the number of years I was an assistant priest or because of my red-brick / lorry driving background or if it’s a perfectly understandable and uncontroversial reason.

  5. In answer to Tracy’s question, we’d like to think being both Episcopalian and Anglican are much the same as being a citizen of the United States and living in the state of Nevada; I am both an American and a Nevadan.

    Unfortunately, the word “Anglican” is slowly being hijacked by the reactionary right in popular usage. It has begun to take on the negative taint associated with calling oneself a “Christian”. In the United States, calling oneself a Christian conjures up images of the intolerant right wing, since that’s what is seen so often in the media. There’s simply less confusion if one refers to oneself as an Episcopalian – more and more folks will think of an open, progressive faith.

    Still, I am proud to refer to myself as an Episcopalian in the Anglican tradition.

  6. I’d have lit a candle before the icon of St Cuddy if I’d known you were going for this one.

    [Insert expletives ad libitem here.]

  7. My cue to say, “The bastards!”?

    What? Are there no snobs in Englandshire?

    revruth seems to have a point. OCICBW.

    They are “afeared” and a lot of them are right snobs.

    Reverse psychology, then? With your next application you should be short-listed and offered a job on the spot.

  8. What? Are there no snobs in Englandshire?

    Of course, there are. But our PCCs have very little to do with choosing priests. Two reps from the church are the only people with any say in the decision and they tend to be quite timid (because they are usually new to the job) and bamboozled by the clergy involved (the clergy being my problem in England). In Scotland the whole vestry is involved in the selection and no clergy are involved in the choice. And also, the SEC consists, in the main, of people who consider themselves superior (either socially or academically) as the riff raff tend to be Church of Scotland (or worse). In England the toffs are all Roman Catholic nowadays and the C. of E. attracts all sorts of low lifes like myself.

  9. “Infamy! Infamy! They’ve all got it in for me!”

    On the other hand, “just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you”.

    Now my quotes either brought a wee smile to your face, MadPriest, or they made you want to commit murder. If I were a betting person, I’d put my money on my second guess. 🙂

  10. And you wonder why I avoid answering your comments.

    But I don’t wonder why, except when I ask you a direct and serious question about how to do something you have asked your readers, or listeners, to do.

    Otherwise, I know why you don’t answer my comments. It’s because you hate me. 🙂

  11. MP, I am sorry. I only have one tale to tell of a peripheral personal experience with the Scottish church. I know a woman vicar who was hounded out because she was a woman, wore make up, didn’t do this, that blah blah. Years later a male vicar took over and suffered personal slights endlessly. He was, literally, driven to despair.

  12. Well, Jonathan, there’s always the Methodists. Historically speaking, they’ve always been a great deal more friendly towards the working-class.

  13. So sorry to hear it, Mad Priest. That really sucks. I think you should keep going, though.

    Tracie is right, they are not recognising your strengths.

  14. I interviewed 4 people for a vacancy recently. I only gave one of them the job. Presumably the other three now think I am a snob.

  15. I’m sorry to hear this, MP. Prayers continue.

    For whatever consolation it may be, you are not the only good priest who has gone through all this kind of thing, and, for all that we would love to woo you to this side Pond, England and Scotland are not the only Churches whose clergy placement often sucks.

    And lots of successful calls end up being Not Such A Good Idea.

    (WV: “malugl” — absolutely no idea.)

  16. Presumably the other three now think I am a snob.

    It’s possible. But my guess is that after meeting you, like everyone else, they think you’re just a twat.

  17. MP, I’d rather be unemployed than be Rector of a parish that didn’t want me. Mother Ruth’s comment is spot on. Fortunately, the SEC has a very broad range of parishes and vestries. You would have hated Collington, MP.

  18. you are not the only good priest who has gone through all this kind of thing

    Not even in England. Many priests are having the same problem (although most are still in jobs they want to move on from). The worrying thing is that most of them are what you would call rough round the edges. The parishes are not taking any chances at the moment and are all going for stereotypical priests.

  19. Fortunately, the SEC has a very broad range of parishes and vestries.

    Yes. But the fuckers in the good parishes refuse to move on. Don’t they, Kenny?!!!

  20. My dear, anonymous, I only posted your first comment because I had such a good slap down. You were entertainment. Please feel free to send in more if you want to. But you will only get published if I am able to make you look stupid.

  21. Now my quotes either brought a wee smile to your face, MadPriest, or they made you want to commit murder. If I were a betting person, I’d put my money on my second guess. 🙂

    Either way, my psychology was brilliant. Whether you smiled or became angry, you came out of the doldrums. Think about it.