LOVE IS FOR GIRLIES

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Christian Vision for Men claims that 49 per cent of all males under the age of 30 have left congregations over the past 20 years. It says that sermons dominated by love, compassion and grace do not entice men because they are “not male concepts”. In order to entice them back into the pews, the campaign group is asking vicars to show the World Cup on big screens above the pulpit and even serve beer while the football tournament is on.

Carl Beech, General Director of the CVM and a Baptist minister, said: "The problem has become male culture versus church culture. Too many sermons talk about Jesus’ love, compassion and grace which are great but not male concepts. Men want to know about his great decision-making and leadership. That is what they recognise. Churches are very pastorally driven whereas blokes are looking for decisions not discussions.”

Popular hymns such as ‘Amazing Grace’ have also been blamed as they are in the wrong key for men to sing.

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LOVE IS FOR GIRLIES — 39 Comments

  1. 2000 years ago men killed the messenger because they didn’t like the message, now they simply walk out of the church. You could call it progress.

  2. Brieley in his latest book pulling out of the nose dive suggests we have an unprecedented exit of women from church…seems everyone is leaving…i blame the coffee and weak tea

  3. Well, they’ll be chasing the boys. Soon it’ll be just the lesbians left in the Church.

    To be serious, the reasons for women leaving the church probably include work commitments now that Sunday is becoming the major shopping day and their kids’ hobbies and sports.

  4. Popular hymns such as ‘Amazing Grace’ have also been blamed as they are in the wrong key for men to sing.

    Sure. Once you run out of arguments, blame the feckin’ choir.

    wv = troodi
    (a soprano)

  5. Convert all places of worship into sports bars. Make the beer free. Provide free taxi rides home.

    Yeah, that’s the answer. We need more alcoholics.

  6. Too many sermons talk about Jesus’ love, compassion and grace which are great but not male concepts.

    I’d say, “That’s men for ya!” but I won’t, because that would be stereotyping.

  7. …and don’t put big screens in the church and serve beer…that is what my little club is for and I have enough competition with Tesco et. al. without the church muscling in on it.biurec

  8. Yes I don’t get the “wrong key” argument either. I’m sure you can get arrangements of Amazing Grace in any key. No hymn demands a huge vocal range – it’s the whole point of them, they’re melodically reasonably simple.

  9. Lets see, Now just what were his great decisions and leadership styles; Oh yea, they were about setting examples, showing, not dictating. His leadership decisions were about love and caring and accepting those who were cast aside. Just sayin.

    Sarah, the other Auntee

  10. OK, so I was curious. I grabbed my Appalachian dulcimer and in 5 minutes did 6 arrangements of “Amazing Grace” in 4 keys. Considering the instrument is modal so it cannot play all keys available to a piano or organ, I think I barely touched the surface let alone scraped it.

    As for the rest, churches are indeed loosing members. US numbers suggest the conservative evangelicals are collapsing. Over all American attendance is down from about 42 to 32 percent of the population. But this explanation of why re-defines “shallow.”

    FWIW
    jimB

  11. Wormwood would appear to be the chairdevil of Christian Vision for Men. Uncle Screwtape would have been a lot more subtle.

  12. (In my defence it’s no worse than Dah-veed’s Uranus pun.

    Also if it is a euphemism the rest of what Jim says works quite well.)

  13. Yes Cathy, it does make sense as a euphemism. I am glad that Jim was able to hammer* out so many, so quickly with no resulting abrasion!

    *If I take it correctly, Jim’s “instrument” is a hammered dulcimer.

  14. I’ve, once or twice, accidentally hit my thumb with a hammer and that was painful enough. I can’t imagine the excruciating pain that must result if you hit your dulcimer with a hammer.

  15. That’s true Mad Priest, but it might also explain how Jim managed to sing “Amazing Grace” in a startling variety of different keys in only five minutes.

  16. Well, indeed. Perhaps for inspirational purposes a video of Jim may be shown to those men who are complaining they can’t go to church because Amazing Grace is too high for them to sing? … I mean, he’s made them all look a bit wimpy, obviously.

  17. In my case quite a long time. I’m blaming you, though. You’re the fount of inspiration for us all here. It must be your fault.

    I notice Mimi didn’t confirm or deny the rumour before hastily leaving.

  18. Well, it depends on how hard you hammer it. If you hammer it really hard you won’t be able to play with it for weeks.

  19. The men need to wise up to a local custom: “Theology on Tap”, a weekly discussion group for seminarians and others connected with the local UCC-run graduate seminary. There are a half-dozen or so microbrewery choices in town, as well as the usual boring Bud on tap.

  20. A bit of research shows that I was in error. The Hammered Dulcimer is a much larger instrument than our Bill owns. His instrument, wot he has named the Appalachian Dulcimer, is the same as Abulela Mimi’s Mountain Dulcimer, is smaller than the Hammered version and played with two hands in the lap. One hand does the strumming or picking as desired, and the other frets.

    Whether it is the big one or the small version one is playing, it can all still sound a tad off color, does it not!

  21. Abulela Mimi’s Mountain Dulcimer, is smaller than the Hammered version and played with two hands in the lap

    Yes, we know that. In fact, that’s exactly what me and Cathy have been going on about.

  22. The Hammered Dulcimer is a much larger instrument than our Bill owns.

    (Dah-veed – he might prefer to deny that rumour, of course.)