I hope that one day ACNA will be recognised by the whole Anglican Communion.

BUT, as they are offended party, it must be left to TEC to decide when that moment has arrived and it must be left to TEC to decide on the terms and conditions of such recognition. Personally, I trust TEC to one day face such a challenge with the same amount of Christian charity that they have shown to gay Christians in their own church and those who call for the destruction of TEC, both at home and abroad.



  1. Following that Great Unpleasantness usually call the Civil War in the United States, the Episcopalians were as bitterly divided as they are now. Those in the South had even formed a new denomination. However, once the war was over those in the North received them back without precondition and the Church just picked up where it left off before the war. Did happen, could happen again.
    I can envision a time when hostilities between ACNA and TEC will end.

  2. Would we also be the ones to determine when to recognize their new dioceses in England (which I’m sure they will have up and running soon)?

  3. The Southern bishops were welcomed back without precondition in part because TEC had never admitted they left. They were simply absent from some meetings. And when they returned they did not insist that TEC adopt their views. That is, they were welcomed back as TEC clergy.

    On the other side of the historical ledger is REC which left TEC shortly after the War Between the States in the 1880’s. To this day there is no sign of reconciliation. In fact REC has been involved in discussions with AC-NA.

    I have no objection to eventual reconciliation. But, the AC-NA do not want that. They were not looking for it with the motion tabled on their behalf in your General Synod. They are looking for membership in the communion that excludes TEC, and permits them to take its property.

    If the archbishops grant them exclusive membership, then the question will be if TEC will eventually seek return to the communion and the answer will involve centuries not decades.


  4. Tom, possibly, but here in Ft. Worth I would bet my bank account that that would not happen as long as Jack Iker is in control. There has to be give and take on BOTH sides.

  5. Would we also be the ones to determine when to recognize their new dioceses in England

    No, Dennis. As the new Bishop of All England that will be my responsibility. But I will need a chaplain, and I’d love a gay one. But you will have to promise to be totally flamboyant.

  6. You may well be right, Jim. But after four years of getting to know you lot, my money is still on you making the first move and sooner rather than centuries in the future.

    And, at the right time (your decision) it will be the right thing to do. That’s why I think you’ll do it.

  7. I’m not sure the Episcopal Church keeping its unity while other churches split during the Civil War is something to be proud of. Those other churches split over the issue of slavery. The Episcopal Church kept officially silent on the issue.

    I’ve always wondered what poor John Wesley, an ardent abolitionist who campaigned tirelessly to end the slave trade, would have thought of Southern Methodists defending slavery on religious grounds and breaking with the church over that issue.

  8. I think Susan Russell’s metaphor is most effective

    The problem isn’t that they want to stay at the Anglican Family Dinner Table. The problem is they want to sit in another family member’s chair. And they want that family member not at the table, in the dining room, in the HOUSE if they can get away with it. (And, while they’re at it, they want the other family member’s silver, china, linens and the deed to their property.)….

    No one’s excluding the self-described “traditionalists” from the family. Rather, they are the ones making their criterion for inclusion the exclusion of other family members.

    Once again: Choosing not to show up for the family dinner because you don’t like the guest list and then looking for sympathy because you’ve been “excluded” is like killing your parents and then looking for sympathy because you’re an orphan. .

    I would assume like any family, if they can participate with good manners, then of course they can sit at the table with the big kids.

  9. MP, if it is possible, well and good. I doubt they would accept anything we might offer. But times and people change.


  10. Anything’s possible.

    I like to remember that though ACNA folks believe they’re locking all the godless glbt folk outside of their orthodox fortress walls, they seem unaware that a Trojan Horse is already in their midst. Surprise!

  11. I suppose ACNA at some point may well be recognized as a member of the AC, and perhaps eventually be in communion with the ABC. But, this introduces the idea of two entities within one province’s territory, so to speak. There are many places in the globe where that dual (or dueling) presence is likely to cause a lot of trouble. It does seem to set a precedent for the AC; how will Rowan or his successor handle this? What’s sauce for the goose…..

  12. Well, that must be up to TEC to decide, Strangelove. It should never be forced on them. But there are dual provinces on the European continent, and the C. of E. is in full communion with foreign denominations that have a presence in England.